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NEILFarmer
Posted 2/22/ 20:46 (#)
Subject: Header cart questions.

Morris, ILCouple different questions about header carts. We have a JD 922 platform listed for sale on a unverferth HT 25’ cart. Has small wheels, lights, nice shape little use. I bought a 930 flex head for . And maybe looking for an JD 893 corn head to replace our 643. So few questions.

1. Can I extent 25’ cart to 30’? Are they the same with just longer main beam, or does a 30’ cart have longer wheelbase? Maybe little heavier duty? I have never really looked closely to see how it is all built.

2. We run a yetter devastator on our 6 row corn head now. Most likely would move it over to any 8 row. What header carts work to haul a JD 893 with devastator or how all does that work? Probably not something I would do for every move but longer distance and storage might be nice. Would like to maybe use our current unverferth HT 25’ cart if possible but 893 with devastator probably lb. Guessing 922 is closer to half that.

Thanks in advance.



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Northwest IllinoisI can't see a difference between an ht25 and ht30. To answer your question, I think adding to either end should be no issue. I run a 612 with devestators, and I picked up the head at the dealership with a new ht30 with the taller tires on it. I got it home and I couldn't raise the head high enough to clear the devestators and the pads that are mounted on the head cart. I ended up calling dealer and swapping out taller tires for the shorter ones. I also added stands that would come on a chopping head, so the head sat more flat on the cart. Being on unlevel ground makes unloading it impossible. Hopefully somebody else chimes in because I'd like to hear how others do it. The dealer set the head on the cart with a combine with metric duals. I assume it didn't squat as much as mine. I actually bought a four wheel steer cart and the dealer couldn't set the head on it so went with he lighter ht30 that is lower to he ground.

Did you replace the ?

Morris, ILI would not say replace just yet as right now are undecided to keep it or not but added another machine for sure.

Central IllinoisI hope so. His has been treated to nice to be tortured with those heads.NEILFarmer - 2/22/ 21:37

but added another machine for sure.


O come on spill the beans. What's in the shed?

Morris, ILWell I don’t know about that Steve she really eats beans.

Yes that is a 930 running 2.5-3mph all day. Year before ran clear up to 3.2mph.

893 would be pointless I could keep full with 4 row. It was built when 150-180 bushel was pretty good.

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Morris, ILNothing right now, will be soon. I joke, my new 20 year old combine. It is as nice as they get.

Morris, ILSo to get head on and off HT 30 you have to pin devastator up correct? I can see taller stands would help didn’t think of that. Thanks.



So. ILNEILFarmer - 2/22/ 21:51

Nothing right now, will be soon. I joke, my new 20 year old combine. It is as nice as they get.

The was a huge improvement back in the day, just don't run a rotor or you will get the fever for one!


SW OhioI haul my 693 with devastators on an HT25. I cut the main frame and extended the wheelbase so that the devastators would set down between the axles. Works good unless you make a panic stop, and sometimes the head will slide forward just enough to get the devastators caught on something and you wind up lifting the whole cart. Just have to jockey around and it comes free. Also trimmed the ends of the tubes off since its only hauling a 6 row.

Northern ILI was trading to a 30 foot header, and we just swapped out the beam.

Hazelton, KansasNEILFarmer,

I've been running a couple of '95 model s for over 10 years now (bot them in NWIL, actually ).

At ~E and ~S hours, I find myself getting the itch for newer machines. But s are a pretty good machine for parts availability and the "just keep fixing it" approach. I still hate the walkers and the shoe feed auger setup, though.

I put Trimpe cylinder bars in them last fall, and it made a huge difference in green stemmed beans. Also seemed to work just fine in Milo. Best thing I've done to the old beasts.

Regards.

MDS



Northwest IllinoisNo I don't have to pin the devestators up. With the shorter tires and parked on level ground, it just barely works to lift head off cart so everything clears.


NE IowaThat's what we did to our HT25 when we went to a 930 head - just added 5' to the bar. The only issue we have run into is that, assuming you roughly center the platform on the running gear, the extra 2 1/2' overhang on the front end can end up with the toungue getting mighty close (vertically ) to the lower rear edge of the platform. Dad had a weld shop build an offset into the front end of the tongue to lower it and never had another problem. Probably would be ok in most cases, but can't see it a lot of the time, so needed to make sure it never hit.

Chris



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minooka, ilTy, i bought a 930 on auction 2 years ago that was on a 25' head carrier with 2.5' extensions welded on either end. It works fine for me. Only time i get a little cringe is when i'm pulling it through a creek crossing and when coming up the bank the tongue gets close to the front of the edge of the head. Never has hit yet though.

NE IowaHard to see in this picture, but my 893 with Devastators just sits on a Westendorf running gear. Since I was making it myself, I was able to build it around the rollers.

Just a couple 5x7 recycled tubes welded to the axles. It doesn't allow for much twist on uneven ground though. Usually just leave head on combine during season.



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sw corner ia.I have and was glad to find out I didn't need one.

Morris, ILThis machine has newer chrome bars and concave with kuchar concave parts along with about 50 other upgrades and repairs. Bit over 3k E hours. We are for sure the keep rebuilding type, it will be here a while. Last one has been here 30 years. This one left Moline for Wisconsin then ended back up few miles from factory, i’ll be third owner.

Don’t much care for rotary maybe I don’t know what i’m missing but don’t care. Thanks everyone. This picture is in classifieds it is still in his shed for bit.

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NEILFarmer
Posted 2/23/ 20:16 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Header cart questions.

Morris, ILJeff and Chris, I am aware of hitch even with our 922 it gets pretty close. I am surprised 30’ works now that you remind me of that, especially tight turning left if I remember right. I might be buying current owners 30’ head cart not sure yet. Would allow me to use HT25 for corn head and would make it easier as it is sitting on his cart now 125 miles away. Otherwise will probably adapt and go get it.NEILFarmer
Posted 2/23/ 20:19 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Header cart questions.

Morris, ILSilo and deeretech, do you think you could take some close up pictures at some point? My works, no rush or anything nothing happening anytime soon. Sure like job devastator does but can see it being real pain to get on head cart. Thanks, Tywinner
Posted 2/23/ 21:18 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Header cart questions.

Northwest IllinoisAre you going to 16 row planter, strip till and side dress with the 8 row head or rtk it?NEILFarmer
Posted 2/23/ 22:02 (# - in reply to #)
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Morris, ILFor now just all RTK 12 row equipment.silofarms
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